DUST Search - A day in enhanced gear.,, what to do with surplus is?

Lordsmash wrote:

What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match?
Run prototype stuff every match.
Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why.
Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic?

Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable.
Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen.
See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team.

What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on?

Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time.
No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK?

Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight.
If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy.

Blah blah blah, arguments for and against.

I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say:
People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics.
If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like.
That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants.

Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is not excusable because CCP say they are tryng to fix it. They say it is something they want to fix, but we are going to have to deal with them in the meantime however we can.
If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something.

What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this.

Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP.
It's out of your hands. Accept that.

That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading.
And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot.
Goodbye.


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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2063	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort? Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2071	Posted - 2014.02.21 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: KingBabar wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: KingBabar wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort? Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.) So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs? I said I'd give 10 M to the best suggestion, so I sent him 10 m, simple. Yea, seems kinda moot though. It's like giving the guy who can solve world hunger a life time supply of food, just for himself, then doing nothing else... Lol. I'm not a leet player by any stretch, but hopefully I'm not actually bad. If one assumes that King uses my suggestion, then he's not "doing nothing else". It may give you some comfort to know that one thing I will not be using the money on is protostomping, I've used a grand total of 1 proto suit in a pub in my Dust career. I also frequently give newer players in my corp ISK if they need it, I've probably donated close to 20-30 million. I'm guessing my wallet stands around 40 mil now after King's award but I'm at work. Anyway, thank you King, glad you found my suggestion helpful and I hope that you put it into action and it actually helps keep people in the game. Let's face it, the NPE is important to all of us. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2071	Posted - 2014.02.21 06:45:00 - [3] - Quote Lordsmash wrote: What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match? Run prototype stuff every match. Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why. Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic? Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable. Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen. See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team. What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on? Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time. No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK? Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight. If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy. Blah blah blah, arguments for and against. I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say: People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics. If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like. That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants. Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is not excusable because CCP say they are tryng to fix it. They say it is something they want to fix, but we are going to have to deal with them in the meantime however we can. If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something. What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this. Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP. It's out of your hands. Accept that. That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading. And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot. Goodbye. To an extent what you say is true, but my personal opinion (which is just that, an opinion) is that while protostomping is much less of a problem than the lolmatchmaking, it doesn't mean you have to or should do it. Taking your sandbox argument, I would say that I use the sandbox to enhance the NPE because it's crucial to the survival of the game. As such I don't run proto in pubs. Others disagree, and that's their prerogative, but perhaps they could consider only using proto when there's good players on the other team. Just food for thought. (If there was some way King's ISK could be used to fund matchmaking, that would have been my suggestion; sadly I don't think it's feasible.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!